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Saber-tooth vs. Megaraptor
To the contray, I think that despite being smaller, the
Saber-tooth will win. Well, he certainly has the advantages in
speed and agility (being a cat) over Megaraptor and will
probally go straight for the neck while Megaraptor tries to
slash him to death. A single neck bite on a Megaraptor from a
Saber-tooth is almost certainly fatal. 14 inch claws are good
for prey that is afraid of you and have the surface area of a
barn to hit, but against a fast, manuverable target, their
effectiveness is certainly reduced. A jaw would be better in
this case and who bites the best in this match? Saber-tooth!
T.Rex vs. Indricotherium
Woah! I don't think T.Rex would want to mess with
Indricotherium, that think is like a horse the size of a small
sauropod, and a mule-kick from a leg that size would certainly
break a few ribs or seriously injure a T.Rex. But of course,
if T.Rex managed to get Indricotherium by the neck, the 3-ton
force at the tip of each of the teeth would rapidly slice
through the mammamilian skin and sever many vital blood
vessels, and that would be quite the end of Indricotherium. I
figured T.Rex wouldn't be boneheaded enough to apprach
Indricotherium directly behind, and would be aggressive and
agile enough to avoid attacks as it was used to attacking prey
animals like Triceratps, so T.Rex might have the advantage if
it employed the neck bite and the hit and run tatics instead
of the boneheaded let's-go-in-close and fight a gigantic
animal that weights two mammoths! In that case, T.Rex has a
very good chance of winning as these tatics allows him to
avoid injury and inflict massive damage at the same time. And I think hit and run would be good for
Indricotherium, and T.Rex would have used that if he didn't
know the neck bite or the situtation prevented him from doing
that. I think in this case T.Rex would win.
SPERM WHALE v.s LIOPLEURODON
Hmm tough one... but I'll follow Brad, the Sperm Whale is not
a really of great hunter of large animals save giant squid.
Liopleurodon would have some troble trying to breach the Sperm
whale's skin, but then again, I doubt the Sperm whale is doing
much against Liopleurodon. Of course, if this confrontation
took place in the Alantic ocean...it might be a different
story all together. As Sperm whales are perfectly fine in cold
water.
from Leonard,
age 13,
?,
?,
?;
May 31, 2001
SABER-TOOTHED TIGER V/S MEGARAPTOR
IDRICOTHERIUM v/S TRYRANOSAURS
SPERM WHALE v/s LIOPLEURODON
_Megaraptor_. Those 14-inch claws could really cause some
hurting!
_Indricotherium_ was considerably heavier (if the
ZoomDinosaurs Dino Dictionary is a reliable source). It
probably crush the rex's legs, but not before the rex caused
some damage... this is hard! I'll guess _Indricotherium_.
I really have no idea what whales do for defense- do they ever
fight anything? I know pliosaurs can bite to do some damage,
so I'll bet on the _Liopleurodon_. But then again, sperm
whales have teeth too.... They fight gigantic squids, don't
they? Uh, still _Liopleurodon_. Gotta go with the prehistoric
reptile.
from Brad,
age 14,
Woodville,
ON,
Canada;
May 31, 2001
HIPOTETIC FIGHTS ( tonight
with)
SABER-TOOTHED TIGER V/S MEGARAPTOR
IDRICOTHERIUM v/S TRYRANOSAURS
SPERM WHALE v/s LIOPLEURODON
from MANUEL L.,
age 20,
IQUIQUE,
IQUIQUE,
CHILE;
May 31, 2001
"I just wanted to add that
Velociraptor or the Deinonychus was generally close to 6 feet
long and weighed approximately 130 pounds. That is until the
Utahraptor was dicovered."
The discovery of a new species does not change the
measurements of previously known species (How could it?).
Velociraptor wasn't anywhere near 130 pounds, though. More
like 30 pounds.
"The Utahraptor was twice as big and weighed in about 500 to
1000 pounds. It truly was about the size of the `Raptors in
Jurassic Park by Steven Spielberg. Read the book ``Raptor
Red`` by acclaimed paleo
I heard that Bakker wasn't an official consultant, but rather
communicated informally with the dinosaur makers. I think
Seilberg's major consultant was Horner.
"He also had a cameo appearance in Jurassic Park ``The Lost
World`` where a snake goes down his shirt and he is eaten bt
T-Rex."
That wasn't Bakker, it was Thomas Duffy. Duffy's character,
Dr. Burke, may have been based on Bakker.
"``Raptor Red`` is an excellent book about the giant
Utahraptors and it tells the story of Utahraptors existance
from the point of view of the `Raptor"
Eh, it was okay. Maybe a little outdated.
scientist Robert T. Baker. He is the one that Spielberg
consulted with in the making of Jurassic Park."
from Brad,
age 14,
Woodville,
ON,
Canada;
May 30, 2001
I just wanted to add that
Velociraptor or the Deinonychus was generally close to 6 feet
long and weighed approximately 130 pounds. That is until the
Utahraptor was dicovered. The Utahraptor was twice as big and
weighed in about 500 to 1000 pounds. It truly was about the
size of the `Raptors in Jurassic Park by Steven Spielberg.
Read the book ``Raptor Red`` by acclaimed paleo scientist
Robert T. Baker. He is the one that Spielberg consulted with
in the making of Jurassic Park. He also had a cameo appearance
in Jurassic Park ``The Lost World`` where a snake goes down
his shirt and he is eaten bt T-Rex. ``Raptor Red`` is an
excellent book about the giant Utahraptors and it tells the
story of Utahraptors existance from the point of view of the
`Raptor.
from Michelle W.,
age ???,
Plattsburg,
Mo,
USA;
May 26, 2001
I seriously doubt that
Megaraptor was 20 feet tall, as its length estimates are
only around 20-25 feet. Even Tyrannosaurus wasn't 20 feet
when standing naturally, more like 12-15
feet.
from Brad,
age 14,
Woodville,
ON,
Canada;
May 29, 2001
I seriously doubt that
Megaraptor was 20 feet tall. Its length estimates are only
And even Tyrannosaurus wasn't 20 feet when standing
naturally, more like 12-15 feet.
from ?,
age ?,
?,
?,
?;
May 29, 2001
Thanks Brad.Nice
poetry.
from Cameron W.,
age 10,
?,
?,
?;
May 29, 2001
Brad,Megaraptor stood 20
feet,same as T.Rex.
from Cameron W.,
age 10,
?,
?,
?;
May 29, 2001
I am checking to see if this
email goes through before I make any comments on the
dinasaurs. My last one did not go through.
from M. W.,
age ?,
Plattsburg,
Mo,
USA;
May 29, 2001
Let's be nicer to Cameron. So
what if he has different views on Tyrannosaurus rex?
Tyrannosaurus was just an animal, and its dead. Its not
your friend, your king, or your god. We do not know if it
could kill Triceratops, or if it scavenged a lot, or if it
ate lawyers off toilets (although we can probably rule out
that last one). Why must we be so defensive of it, trying
to make it the most perfect killing machine that we want it
to be? Tyrannosaur behavior is nothing to fight
about.
from Brad,
age 14,
Woodville,
ON,
Canada;
May 28, 2001
I'm not sure how a blue whale
and a sauropod would fight. The blue whale can't go on
land, and the sauropod can't go in the ocean. This would be
completely dependent on environmental conditions- and even
so, the loser would be killed by the environment and not by
its opponent!
Liopleurodon. I hate Megalodon.
I'd say Tyrannosaurus would beat Megaraptor. Tyrannosaurus
is a pretty powerful theropod, and it was much bigger than
Megaraptor. There is no proof saying that Megaraptor is a
dromaeosaur as many people beleive, and not an avialian or
something else.
from Brad,
age 14,
Woodville,
ON,
Canada;
May 28, 2001
firebird you are stuck on
T.Rex
from CameronW.,
age 10,
?,
?,
?;
May 28, 2001
WHALE BLUE v/s SAUROPODS
MEGALODON v/s LIOPLEURODON
MEGARAPTOR v/s TYRANOSAURS
from manuel l.,
age 20,
iquique,
iquique,
chile;
May 28, 2001
Actually Brad, any dinosaur has
to be quite dead for T.Rex to eat it...for any dinosaur for
that matter...it just dosen't prove anything. But a large
number of bites to a single area of a body points towards
the idea that the animal was brought down and killed. And
some fossils with T.Rex bite marks do show this feature, a
large concentration of T.Rex bites to a single area, and
then bites all over the fossil tend to point towards T.Rex
bringing down the animal and later feeding on
it.
from Leonard,
age 13,
?,
?,
?;
May 27, 2001
I though T.Rex was a dinosaur?
Not a mollusk like a slug? Man! How come you know so little
about dinosaurs?
from Josh,
age 9,
?,
?,
?;
May 27, 2001
"If a T.Rex got into a fight
with a pack of raptors here 's what would
"T.Rex couldn't kill anything!"
Well Cameron, which is it? Actually, we have no evidence
of Tyrannosaurus killing anything. Healed bite marks
indicte that Tyrannosaurus hunted, but that it didn't kill
that particular animal. Eaten bone indicates that
Tyrannosaurus was chewing a dead dinosaur, but we cannot
prove that the Tyrannosaurus killed it. But even if
Tyrannosaurus couldn't kill large ceratopsians or
hadrosaurs, I have a hard time beleiving that it couldn't
kill animals like Leptoceratops and
Thescelosaurus.
happen:T.Rex claws and bites and kills half the
pack..."
-Cameron
-Cameron
from Brad,
age 14,
Woodville,
ON,
Canada;
May 26, 2001
I'm not kidding Josh,T.Rex was
a slug.
from Cameron W.,
age 10,
Lindsay,
Ontario,
Canada;
May 26, 2001
Are you kidding, T.Rex could
kill a Triceratops, and a Torosaurus, and a Pentraceratops,
and will you pass me the Duckbill ribs?
from Josh,
age 9,
?,
?,
?;
May 23, 2001
T.Rex couldn't kill
anything!Cameron
from ?,
age ?,
?,
?,
?;
May 23, 2001
Not if he means _Apatosaurus
excelsus_ :)
from Brad,
age 14,
Woodville,
ON,
Canada;
May 23, 2001
Deinonychus president, you must
mean Apatosaurus. Anyway, If the theory that Allosaurus
hunted in packs is true, he would probably win. Actually,
it would most likely be a close fight.
from JOE BOB B.,
age 11,
Menlo Park,
?,
?;
May 22, 2001
if allosaurus and brontosausus
got in a fight who would win?
from the deinonychus president,
age 29,
north haven,
connecticut,
u.s.a;
May 19, 2001
Why would a pack of Deinonychus
try and attack a T. rex? They would surely lose unless
they ran away. There's no way they could kill a T.
rex.
from Chandler,
age ?,
?,
?,
?;
May 17, 2001
Whatdaya mean? What kind of
revisionist paleontology are you following? T.Rex was a
hunter!
from Brian,
age ?,
?,
?,
?;
May 16, 2001
the fact is ; aT-Rex and a
Deinonychus would never fight ! the T-Rex is a scavenger
meaningit eats already dead meat and even if it was a
hunter it would just want an easy meal whithout a
fight.
from Natalie S,
age 10,
Prince George,
BC,
Canada;
May 15, 2001
Seeing people actually go
through the trouble of responding to such a one-sided
fight between Tyrannosaurus rex and Deinonychus
antirrhopus, I thought I might add in my own pound of
salt's worth to this argument:
I figure it comes down to two things: surface area of
the Tyrannosaurus' mouth (as opposed to the s.a. of the
individual Deinonychus' mouth) and gastrointestinal
fortitude.
If a Tyrannosaurus has a mouth that is, oh, say five
feet long and two feet wide(I am doing the math slowly
for you science boys and rounding to the nearest foot,
of course), that means that the Tyrannosaurus has 10
square feet of mouth surface. I'd say that with that
kind of coverage, every time the Tyrannosaurus makes
contact with a small Deinonychus body or head (as
opposed to grabbing a leg), he inflicts a mortal injury,
if not an immediately killing blow. Meanwhile, your
average chicken-in-dinosaur clothing has about, oh, say
0.5 square inches of mouth area, which means it can't
even encompass one bulging Tyrannosaurus muscle in its
wee yapper. So the Deinonychus are just barely breaking
the skin, but the Tyrannosaurus just has to stay angry
enough to take about twelve bites--okay, allow about
five or six extra bites for the Deinonychus as he only
gets by a leg the first time. He'll have to go back and
take a second chomp once the maimed Deinonychus are down
and helpless.
Well, some people would argue that the Deinonychus
coudl use their sickle claws, but I doubt a gash is
anywhere near as deadly as a Tyrannosaur bite.
Tyrannosaurus certainly packs more firepower into a bite
from his jaws than a pack of six to twelve raptors.
Will the chicken-like Deinonychus take this lying down?
Only if the Tyrannosaurus just grabs their legs on the
first bite, allowing them to survive the first
Tyrannosaur attack. But they are better off attacking a
carcass that rarely fights back instead of an angry big
Tyrannosaur. But everyone knows that Raptors in general
(including Deinonychus) have tender stomachs and get
sick at the drop of a hat. Remember the fossils of
Deinonychus found around a Tendontosaurus carcass?
Apparently the carcass went bad and they died from food
poisioning. The Deinonychus will just get sick all over
the carpet, thereby inducing all its pack buddies to
begin woofing (pardon the pun) all over the carpet too.
Soon the Tyrannosaurus will have Deinonychus *and*
dessert.....
from JM M,
age ?,
?,
?,
?;
May 13, 2001
of course t.rex would have
won lah
from ?,
age ?,
?,
?,
?;
May 13, 2001
Hello Garrett! If a
Tyrannosaurus and Deinonychus fought, the T-Rex is more
likely to tear apart the Deinonychus from limb to limb.
The T-Rex is a lot bigger than the Deinonychus and its
teeth are much stronger.....BUT, fossorial remnants
suggest that Deinonychus hunted in packs. If that were
the case a group of Deinonychus might have attacked a
single T-Rex and could have finished it
off.
from Vikrem S,
age 17,
?,
?,
?;
May 13, 2001
if deinonychus and t-rex got
in a fight who would win?
from Garrett F.,
age 8,
?,
?,
?;
May 12, 2001
the reason i use this
tounge-twisting name is because i think it's counted as
the "better" name for Troodon. if Kentrosaurus and
Allosaurus got in a fight:
Ol Allosaurus also known as Big Al by his fans darts in
and takes a bite. Then he steps back and wait for
Kentrosaurus to get weaker. A minute later Kentrosaurus
is now laying dead at the feet of Allosaurus. Big Al won
his victory once again!
or:
Kentrosaurus lashes his tail at Allosaurus and smacked
thoe spikes right in Big Al's stomach! Soon all of
Allosaurus's insides spill out all over the ground. Now
an Another victory for Kentrosaurus the Spike-Plated
Stegosaur!
from Stenonychosaurus,
age ?,
?,
?,
?;
May 11, 2001
if kentrosauirus and
allosaurus got in a fight who would win?
from the deinonychus president,
age 29,
north haven,
connecticut,
u.s.a;
May 11, 2001
Please Stenonychosaurus
(phew!), why do you want to use such a tongue twisting
name (my tongue is as spiral as the Whirl-Pool Galaxy
after trying to pronounce the dino names). That pea
brain (Stegosaurus) might have used its spikes to absorb
heat during the day and save it for night. But some dino
experts feel that Dimetrodon used its sail to attract a
mate. Same can be true for a stegosaurus. Imagine a
Stegosaurus without those spikes. It might not have
found any other method of mating, as it is such a
brainless git.
from Vikrem S,
age 17,
?,
?,
?;
May 10, 2001
did Stegosaurus use it's plates to
get heat and control it's body temperature? i'm just trying to
start a new topic. oh by the way i'm new here. for a few
minutes i've been loooking at earlier posts. BUT Utahraptors
have a commander?
from Stenonychosaurus,
age ?,
?,
?,
?;
May 5, 2001
I must agree with
Chandler.
from firebird,
age ?,
?,
?,
?;
May 4, 2001
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