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Everyone, this debate about the
Spinosaur VS. Tyrannosaur is, and I hate to admit it, silly.
We know next to nothing about these great creatures, so we
don't know if T.Rex or Spinosaurus would win in a fight, if
that was even possible. I'm not taking sides, because I love
all dinosaurs, and don't think I'm trying to be dominant, I'm
just neutral. (Although we all know that T.Rex could EASILY
beat Spinosaur)
from Dragonair,
age 13,
Dayton,
Ohio,
USA;
June 14, 2001
JP 1, 2, and 3, are made for
entertainment (I think.). No offence to anyone. Besides I
don't think they really care, they just want to make the dinos
look big & scary so they can make lots of $$. Although I think
they should make them as realistic as possable.
from Katie V.,
age 13,
Tabernacle,
NJ,
U.S.A.;
June 14, 2001
A lot of the T-Rex fans are
worried that the Spinosaurus may be the top predatory
dinosaur. That the "falsified" Spino in JP3 doesn't deserve
it's fame. I totally disagree.
In my opinion, the Spinosaurus is the top hunter. Also, I
don't even think T-Rex would come in second. The raptors would
be in second.
First off, a lot of people think the Spino eats fish because
of its long snout and jaw. But, it has the same jaw as a
crocodile. Crocs eat meat and big animals. I believe the Spino
does to.
I don't believe that if these two dinos, the Spino and Rex,
would ever fight one another. If they did, however, the Spino
would probably go for the neck say scientists. And I don't
care just how strong the Rexes jaws are, once the Spino gets
his jaws around the Rexes neck and starts thrashing it around
the neck....the Rex has no chance.
The Spinosaurus is supposedly one of the smartest dinosaurs,
along with the Carnosaurs.
As for the "falsified" Spino in Jurassic Park 3, I think that
if there was only one good skeleton of him, nobody really
knows just how big this Dino is. Especially since recently,
scientists found bones that suggest the Spino could of grown
up to 60+ feet long! What falsified things do you see. I
believe since we don't know, it isn't falsified at all. We
don't know how aggresive or vicious it is, but any animal with
half a brain would know not to mess with that! Personally, not
that they would, but the Spino would slaughter the T-Rex in a
battle. The Spino was bigger, stronger, probably smarter, and
probably more aggresive seeing that the T-Rex is smaller and
has sticks of celery for arms.
from Nick,
age 21,
Brooklin,
New York,
U.S.;
June 14, 2001
Flying lizards? Pterosaurs are
far from lizards...
from Chandler,
age ?,
?,
?,
?;
June 14, 2001
I've played Dino Crisis 2...
But anyways, Sean, Carnotaurus and Abelisaurus are not the
same genus...that should be obvious. They aren't really even
that similar-looking (Abelisaurus being
hornless).
from Chandler,
age ?,
?,
?,
?;
June 14, 2001
SABI, I never said anything about
jp3 helping the public's view of dinosaurs--of course, we
don't know how it will help since it isn't even out yet!
Jurassic Park (you know, the FIRST movie) immensely improved
the accuracy of the public's view of dinosaurs.
And if we want to watch a dinosaur documentary, we have
"Walking with Dinosaurs," and stuff like that. We don't like
Jurassic Park for that reason! Who cares if it isn't
scientifically immaculate? That's not why they made
it!!!
from Chandler,
age ?,
?,
?,
?;
June 14, 2001
And oh yeah hee hee to make
laughter you need to go hea!Hea!
from Sean.S,
age 13,
i won't tell,
?,
U.S.A;
June 14, 2001
Wait a minute carnotaurus is going
to be jp3!? COOL!
from Sean.S,
age 13,
i won't tell,
?,
U.S.A;
June 14, 2001
Oh it is possible to recreate the
dinosaurs! Maybe not now but in the future! Right now we just
need support.
from Sean.S,
age 13,
i won't tell,
?,
U.S.A;
June 14, 2001
Let the GTVA Colossus tell you
something!
I shall give you three reasons why T.rex is better then
Spinosaurus
1. Life Experience
2. Continuous Winning
3. Title Dictates Authority
T.rex has spent his entire life fighting the deadly herbivores
like Triceratops and Ankylosaurus, and he is known to fight
other T.rexes too. He knows the pins. He knows the punches. He
knows the fake falling. T.rex knows it all.
T.rex has won nearly every fight he has been in. This
obviously makes T.rex the stronger between himself and
Spinosaurus. Why, you heretics may ask, why? Because out of
all the dinosaurs the mighty and deadly Ankylosaurus and
Triceratops worried about, was it Spinosaurus (lets just say
they met)? Of course not! It was everyone's favorite lizard,
T.rex, and that says a lot. Spinosaurus just picked on smaller
dinosaurs who could not fight back. Oh, that's hard.
T.rex has two name factors that shall make him the greatest.
If you could choose between the names of Tyrannosaurus and
Spinosaurus, what would you choose? Tyrannosaurus. Sure,
Spinosaurus may have some weird Latin meaning that might be
nice, but that just leads up to my next point. Tyrannosaurus
is a king: Tyrant King of the Dinosaurs. Spinosaurus is just
whatever his lame name says, and that's not saying much. 'Nuff
said!
from Nichol N.,
age ?,
?,
?,
?;
June 14, 2001
Look at the T-beast. He's
practically his own military. He's stomped on the Ankylosaurus
army (which, I agree is no great feat,) crushed the Duckbill
navy, swatted the big-flying-lizards air force, laid waste to
entire dinosaur populations, not to mention the various
foolish dinosaurs that have tried to impede on his Trademarked
riots. Clearly, Tyrannosaurus is ready for anything! Hell, he
can fight (army,) he can fly (airforce,) he can walk
underwater (navy,) he can bite through virtually anything.
He's a walking meat grinder with an attitude. We should be
declaring Tyrannosaurus his own mobile militant state bent on
human humility.
Then there is Spinosaurus. He's spent his life bullying others
who cannot fight back. The only opposition he's faced is way
smaller dinosaurs lashing out with their weak, frail limbs at
him. Ouch. ooh. pain. Let's face it. He's soft, confused, and
incapable of a decent fight. Hell, he'll probably lose his
composure simply trying to deal with a few fly-boys totin' pea
shooters. Besides...if he has remembered the occasion he had
encountered a more powerful dinosaur (not unlike T-man), he's
likely to have remembered his traumatic experience and lose
the edge on self-consciousness. (Home court is not necessarily
an advantage here.)
Face it. Without a 20 foot Ray gun and a huge jetpack,
Spinosaurus is walking to his funeral.
from Damean,
age ?,
?,
?,
?;
June 14, 2001
Lets obey the instinct to defend
T.Rex aggressively.
Bigger Spinosaurus? You kidding? If Spinosaurus got any
bigger, its sail would be too unwieldy to allow it to move
effectively. Besides Tyrannosaurus and Giganotosaurus were
already at the limit for an effective land based predator, so
the only way I can see Spinosaurus getting much bigger then
these carnivores is when its a scavenger!
Besides Spinosaurus conocial teeth are hardly injuring
Tyrannosaurus, the Tyrannosaurus is angry enough to will open
their White-House- Eating, Empire-State-Building-Eliminating,
Kremlin-Krushing, Big-Ben- Bending, Hague-Holocausting,
LA-Lambasting, Versaille-Vandalizing, Quebec-Qruching,
Sydney-Swallowing, Peking-Ducking, Big Momma Brand Ultra
Kill-O-ZAP Richter-Scale 15 Whammo-Super Jaw (tm Roget
Technology) and blow the ever-loving collectivist
authoritarian waste product out of the Spinosaurus with one
bite!!! One bite from Tyrannosaurus will surely break some
bones in the lightly-built Spinosaurus and while dinosaurus
can fight with torn skin or flesh, they couldn't walk if they
had a bone that was totally smashed.
Tyrannosaurus is 5 bites.
from Demean,
age ?,
Ok. City,
Ok.,
USA;
June 14, 2001
Man, I'm posting alot today, but I
think I'll do some pictures myself soon, watch for
them!
from Honkie Tong,
age 16,
?,
?,
?;
June 14, 2001
"I read that scientists found
bones that belonged to the Spino that if the measurements were
correct, then this Spino would be bigger than any known T-Rex
or Giganotosaurus."
Once again, I can't help but notice that this statement is not
terribly accucrate. Spinosaurus, being a spinosaur, was
actually very light for its size. Saving the illusion of its
sail, it was actually a very slim dinosaur. T.Rex or
Giganotosaurus were built considerabily heavier, with
barrel-chests and heavy tails. I have no idea what you mean by
bigger, but really, Spinosaurus was not built for any close-in
work like T.Rex or Giganotosaurus and would not, I repeat,
would not hold its own! It's better running away!
While I find their aggressive demeanour irrating, I am forced
to conclude with Students Against Blatant Ignorance. Size here
hardly matters as its akin to compairing a Diplodocus with a
Brachiosaurus. Size is really hard to measure, and I'm sure
what the scientists were saying that the Spinosaurus is
"bigger" in was actually length, not actual weight. A
Spinosaurus would really have to be big (in excess of 20
meters!) to match up in weight with T.Rex or Giganotosaurus.
And in any case, pound for pound, T.Rex or Giganotosaurus
could easily overpower it. Though I find any confrotation
unlikely, I say Spinosaurus, being the light weight and
light-hitter it was, best avoid a fight with the harder
biting, stronger predators of its time.
from Honkie Tong,
age 16,
?,
?,
?;
June 14, 2001
Say, I was reading the dialouge in
the latest installment of Counterstrike and noticed that the '
was a little screwy. What up?
from Honkie Tong,
age 16,
?,
?,
?;
June 14, 2001
Spinosaurus vs. T.Rex? I though
that was resolved a long time ago.
Anyway, please refrain from posting anymore on this matter,
its clear enough that T.Rex could easily defeat a Spinosaurus
anytime, anywhere ;)
from Honkie Tong,
age 16,
?,
?,
?;
June 14, 2001
Ever heard of this prehistoric
elephant called mammut?Resembled Anancus but
larger.
from Donovan c.,
age 11,
?,
singapore,
?;
June 14, 2001
The Pteranodon with teeth was a
mistake by someone in Stan Winston's studios. It has been
corrected.
The Ballad of Big Al was quite disappointing, but it was still
good.
from DW,
age ?,
?,
?,
?;
June 14, 2001
Very few Spinosaur skeletons have
been found. None are complete.
from DW,
age ?,
?,
?,
?;
June 14, 2001
Hee hee...saying Spinosaurus can
defeat T.Rex is like saying a monkey armed with a stick can
defeat a man driving a tank. :)
from Hee...hee,
age ?,
?,
?,
?;
June 13, 2001
You kidding? JP3 is really helping
the dinosaur ignorant public by convincing them they are
super-smart? And man oh man how come there are teeth on one of
those flying lizards? I thought they were supposed to be
toothless?
from SABI,
age ?,
?,
?,
?;
June 13, 2001
Are you kidding? Spinosaurus was
never a match for the super-predator designs. Its long arms
were better made for fishing and its body was laterally
compressed, meaning that even if it was 20 meters long, it
would have weighted less then a T.Rex that was only 13 meters
long. Spinosaurus had a crocidilian with 3 centimeter fish
snaring teeth. That thing was a fisher and scavenger, hardly
the fierce predator JP3 makes it out to be. T.Rex would kick
its butt anythime, anyday. In fact, there is very little
evidence pointing that Spinosaurus was a deadly hunter at all,
virtually everythign we see suggests it just an oversized
fishing dinosaur. Saying a Spinosaurus is bigger is hardly a
good compairism as T.Rex would have been far meaner than any
Spinosaurus bigger (or longer) then it.
Also Spinosaurus having what it takes to take on T.Rex? Come
on! Think harder! T.Rex is TOUGH! Spinosaurus is NOT! From
what we know, Spinosaurus was lightly built for its size, and
its slender head gave little muscle attatchments for biting
hard. T.Rex D-shaped teeth were perfect for crushing bone and
we know that it could exert up to 3 tons of force and recent
tests prove that its teeth could wistand up to over 19 tons of
force before failing! Also, terrible healed injuries we find
on T.Rex indicate this dinosaurus was incrediblly tough. T.Rex
survived broken necks, smashed compound fractures of BOTH legs
in one animal and even a hole in the brain case. In all cases
we have evidence that the animal survived to recover fully.
Any of these injuries would have finished just about any
dinosaur in the world, and Spinosaurus light framed
construction would be totally smashed.
So there is no way a Spinosaurus could take on T.Rex. What you
see in JP3 is nuts. A single bite from Spinosaurus would have
been laughed off by T.Rex (who is used to taking bites from
other T.Rexes) And one bite from T.Rex would just about
mortally wounded Spinosaurus. Theres no way Spinosaurus can
win! It's like saying a fly the same size as a lizard is a
match for it!
from S.A.B.I,
age ?,
?,
?,
?;
June 13, 2001
I know I'm a little behind on
this. Anyway, I personally think that nobody knows exactly how
vicious a Spinosaurus was. Or even how strong the Spino may
have been. Nobody knows how it hunted or if it hunted other
dinosaurs or fish. It has the snout and jaw of a
crocodile-like animal and I think it can hold its own against
any dinosaur.
Since there was only one good skeleton, we don't even know
exactly how big it can be. There is probably bigger
ones...much bigger. I read that scientists found bones that
belonged to the Spino that if the measurements were correct,
then this Spino would be bigger than any known T-Rex or
Giganotosaurus.
As for the Spinosaurus in JP3, I think it deserves all the
fame it will recieve. As I said before, we don't know exactly
how big he was or how vicious the Spinosaurus was. I do
believe that it can take down a T-Rex if it needed to.
Although, I doubt that they would even fight eachother.
Example is that a lion never fights with a tiger. I am not
taking strong sides though as I love both the Spino and Rex. I
am just saying what I believe.
Peace.
from Nick N.,
age 24,
Iselin,
New Jersey,
U.S.;
June 13, 2001
DINOS ARE COOL
from Brad,
age 14,
Woodville,
ja,
yyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy;
June 13, 2001
"No kidding Brad but carnotaurus
and abelisaurus are still two different species of the same
genus"
Carnotaurus and Abelisaurus ARE genera! The type species of
Abelisaurus is A. comahuensis, the type species of Carnotaurus
is C. sastrei. Abelisaurus and Carnotarus are in the same
family, though.
"And i'm realy curious about whether or not you advocate
recreating the dinosaurs."
I'd advocate it if I felt it was possible.
from Brad,
age 14,
Woodville,
ON,
Canada;
June 13, 2001
No kidding Brad but carnotaurus
and abelisaurus are still two different species of the same
genus. And i'm realy curious about whether or not you advocate
recreating the dinosaurs. You see Brad i'm huge dino fan just
like you. I want to recreate the dinosaurs so badly that i'll
do it no holds barred! At any rate giganotosaurus as opposed
to carcharodontosaurus has been getting some fame lately on
dino crisis2! Man that is an awsome game! Have any of you guys
ever played dino crisis2? If you havent you'r realy missing
something! I was a little reluctant to buy it at first because
it set up to kill dinosaurs but then i thought to myself it's
just a game. Talk about crazy dinosaurs the dinosaurs on that
game are nuts! In addition to being predictable they are'nt as
well detailed as the ones on jurassic park. Heck there's one
point in the game where you'll find a giganotosaurus that
destroys a nuclear warhead just to kill you!
from Sean.S,
age 13,
i won't tell,
?,
U.S.A;
June 13, 2001
Sorry if I was unclear, the
"either way" I was referring to was _Halticosaurus_ being
related to _Liliensternus_ and _Dilophosaurus_
(Halticosaurini?) or being synonymous to _Liliensternus_. I
also never said that _Halticosaurus_ was a "prosauropod," but
could be closely related to the "herrerasaur-like"
"prosauropods." Sorry for being ambiguous.
from Chandler,
age ?,
?,
?,
?;
June 13, 2001
My Fulengia should be up in the
picture page soon. The holotype skull appears very crushed
and fragmentary- and it was cnsidered a lizard when the
material was illustrated- this was a difficult animal to
restore! Did I do okay? I think the camera angle shortened
the snout a bit.
from Brad,
age 14,
Woodville,
ON,
Canada;
June 13, 2001
Disney's recent Dinosaur movie has
abelisaurs in it. JP/// will also briefly feature Carnotaurus
(It's true!)
from Brad,
age 14,
Woodville,
ON,
Canada;
June 13, 2001
Halticosaurus isn't called a nomen
dubium in Dinosaurs: the Encyclopedia, but you're probably
right. I'm not sure what you mean by 'either way, it would be
a ceratosaur'. If its a prosauropod, it can't be a
ceratosaur! If it isn't Halticosaurus, what is the
"hererrasaur-like prosauropod"?
You didn't object to my placement of Megalosauridae...
interesting.
My cladogram (at least the re-posting, the first one is kind
of messed up) does show the ceratosaur + tetanure clade as the
siter group to Hererrasauria, I just didn't name it.
Neotheropoda (Bakker 1986?) really only applies to this
cladogram:
Theropoda
If you use Ceratosauria to include coelophysoids and
neoceratosaurs, "Neotheropoda" doesn't apply in its original
meaning. I haven't decided yet which way I'm going to
classify the coelophysids and neoceratosaurs.
|--Hererrasaurs
|--Coelophysoids
Neotheropoda
|--Neoceratosauria
`--Tetanurae ("Avipoda")
from Brad,
age 14,
Woodville,
ON,
Canada;
June 13, 2001
Hmm..I think I said "1991" in that
last post. If I did, I meant "1993."
from Chandler,
age ?,
?,
?,
?;
June 13, 2001
I agree with Brad about the JP
"raptors." And anyways, it's just fiction, and if they made a
perfect scientifically accurate embodiment of a dinosaur for
JP3, in two years it would probably be outdated anyways,
somehow. Remember, the JP "Velociraptor antirrhopus" were
pretty scientific for 1991, besides the blatant lack of
feathers. The arms were a little off too, but back then even
Greg Paul restored the hands that way. And despite how much
we all want to criticize Jurassic Park for not being perfect,
it actually helped the public's view of dinosaurs more than
any other movie in history. At least now people know that
they weren't all gigantic or carnivorous (remember those
fierce meat-eating Triceratops from the seventies
movies??).
from Chandler,
age ?,
?,
?,
?;
June 13, 2001
Sorry, Brad, I didn't see that
cladogram the first time you posted it.
I always classed _Halticosaurus_ as a coelophysoid, closely
related to _Liliensternus_ and _Dilophosaurus_, although
probably crestless or having a smaller crest. Perhaps it is
even the same as _Liliensternus_ (same area, same time).
Either way, it would be a ceratosaur. However, I can
understand, based on how fragmentary it is (only mandible,
vertebrae, humerus, ilium, femur, and metatarsal known) that
it could have been closer to the theropodan "prosauropods" as
you suggest. Is _Halticosaurus_ a nomen dubium (should be)?
Also, it is common to group Ceratosauria and Tetanurae in
Neotheropoda (Aves sensu Olshevsky) separate from the
herrerasaurs.
from Chandler,
age ?,
?,
?,
?;
June 13, 2001
Brad would you by any chance want
to recreate the dinosaurs? I read you'r earlier posts and i
wondered if you were strong advocate of recreating the
dinosaurs. If you do happen to be that way why don't jump
aboard the band wagon with us?
from Sean.S,
age 13,
i won't tell,
?,
U.S.A;
June 13, 2001
Is anyone tired of hearing about
tyrannosaurus!? I for one think we should put new dinosaurs
in the movies like abelisaurus or
carcharodontosaurus.
from Sean.S,
age 13,
i won't tell,
?,
U.S.A;
June 13, 2001
I have a bad feeling about that JP
institute...
from Brad,
age 14,
Woodville,
ON,
Canada;
June 13, 2001
Continuity problems? Achung! I say
JP3 carries some serious continuity problems! They seem to
have boosted the intelligence of the raptors by 500 times!
From what I see in the trailers, the raptors in JP3 look like
they could outthink Homo-errectus and just about any
proto-human! Gahh! Our brains are highly specialized for
complex thought and such and its amazing how the JP3 raptors
have gone from opening doors (highly improbble) to setting
traps! I tell you, that's a total load of rubbish they are
putting up on that movie! Gahh! Velociraptor fans who believe
Velociraptor was 6 feet tall will all have a field day on this
one. Frankly, I can't imagine how much garbage they have on
this movie and how much they are trying to insult our
intelligence but the dinosaur "expert" who adviced the movie
makers on JP3 better hide his face! What is this? A
dinosaurian version of Deep Blue Sea? Raptors with
super-intelligence? Bahh! Watch WWD anytime! The ignorance of the JP3 movie makers on dinosaurs is encyclopedic and a
total intsult to any self-respecting dinosaur fan and
paleontologist. If they are going to boast on how "realistic"
their movie is, I'll blow chunks!
from Students.Against.Blatant.Ignorance
(SABI),
age 13,
Washington DC,
SABI Headquarters,
USA;
June 13, 2001
OMG look what they've done:
http://www.jpinstitute.com/index.jsp
from DW,
age ?,
?,
?,
?;
June 13, 2001
Hey what's up wih the JP3
bashing?
from Honkie Tong,
age 16,
?,
?,
?;
June 13, 2001
Walkign With Dinosaurs is so cool!
It allows us to observe dinosaurs as if they were rwally
alive. Talking heads bore the stuff out of me, and its alot
easier to see the poitn they are tryign to make when the
information is presented to you in a visual way. We can now
easily see that raptors would have had quite a hard time
bringing down their prey and that Tyrannosaurus would have
pretty ridiculus as the slow moving scavenger Horner makes it
out to be. Thanks to moder computer animamation, its
paleontologists are being thought one thing or two.
Paleontologists are an arrogrant bunch anyway, they seem to
make alot of of nothing and you need alot of them to cancel
each other out. Now we just pump the info into a bunch of
anatromics and computers and we'll know who's
right.
from Josh T.,
age 14,
?,
?,
?;
June 13, 2001
I guess this got burried in the
other posts.... either that, or nobody cares or understands
what I'm saying.
______________________________________________________________
Theropoda
*Halticosaurus may be close to the "herrerasaur-like
prosauropods". It seems to have a mixture
**Megalosauridae lacks a modern diagnosis and cannot be
conclusively assigned to any theropod
So, what do you think?
PS. This research would not be possible without _Dinosaurs:
The Encylopedia_ by Donald Glut,
A Speculative Reclassification of the Theropoda, Concering the
position of the Megalosauridae
|---Unspecified "herrerasaur-like prosauropods"
|...|--Halticosaurus*
|...`--Megalosauridae** (=Torvosauridae)
|......|--Poekilopleuron
|......|--Megalosaurus
|......`--Torvosaurus
|--Herrerasauria
|--Ceratosauria
`--Tetanurae
of theropod (long, slender metatarsals) and prosauropod
(structure of illim, if restored correctly;
form of femur; only two fused sacrals; lack of pleurocoels on
cervicals) features (Norman 1990).
However, its remains are poorly-preserved and nondiagnostic.
group. Gregory Paul (1984) has called Megalosaurus,
Polikopleuron and Torvosaurus are among
the most archaic of theropods, having prosauropod-like hands;
pelves with short anterior iliac
blades; short, broad pubes and ischia; and femora with small
lesser trochanters. He also stated
that they may be congeneric. Torvosaurus has a mixture of
advanced and primitive characteristics,
including a prosauropod-like brachyiliac pubis and ischium,
and a 'coelurosaur'-like dolichoiliac
ilium. Poelikopleuron [holotype destroyed] was described by
Huene (1923) as having five digits on
both the manus and pes. Reexamination of the illustrations
have not proven this, but if there is
any truth in Huene's statement it would certainly indicate a
very primitive position on the
theropod family tree. The megalosaur record may extend back to
the Rhaetic (LTr), represented
by Megalosaurus cambrensis from Wa! les. Although now often
assigned to the genus
"Newtonsaurus" [nomen nudum], this species agrees in 6 of 9
diagnostic characters for M.
bucklandi, three seemingly shared derived characters. The
remaining three characters cannot be
determined. Despite its older age, M. cambrensis does seem
referrable to Megalosaurus (Molnar,
Kurzanov and Dong, 1990).
the best dinosaur book ever!
from Brad,
age 14,
Woodville,
ON,
Canada;
June 12, 2001
I have no problem with the size of
the Jurassic Park "Velociraptor". They may use the name
"Velociraptor" because:
a) Utahraptor was not known in 1989, when the story takes
place. Having the characters call the raptors Utahraptor
would create a worse problem.
b) Greg Paul had just synonymized Deinonychus and
Velociraptor, so characters saying Velociraptor may actually
mean Deinonychus- evident in Grant's "Velociraptor
antirrhopus" excavation.
So they are either calling Deinonychus "Velociraptor" because
thats what people did in the late '80s, or they call
Utahraptor "Velociraptor" because the name Utahraptor hadn't
been invented yet. Dr. Wu says that the JP 'raptors are
_Velociraptor mongoliensis_ because the amber came from China.
Up until recently, Velociraptor was the only named East Asian
deinonychosaur. But Dr. Wu's amber may have actually
contained the DNA of _Achillobator giganticus_, the 5-metre
deinonychosaur from Mongolia named in 1999. It might be
closer to the Dromaeosaurines than the Velociraptorines,
giving it a thicker JP-style head. I'm not aware of anything
that would exclude it from being the JP 'raptor.
There are of course features in the 'raptor not found in any
deinonychosaur- lack of feathers, flexible tails, and those
weird hands. But this isn't real, so I have no reason to be
typing this. I'll send it anyway.
from Brad,
age 14,
Woodville,
ON,
Canada;
June 12, 2001
Ah, Dinosaurs. I've heard of
those :)
I'd really, really like to know the cladisitc position of
Plateosaurus.
from Brad,
age 14,
Woodville,
ON,
Canada;
June 12, 2001
Brad,I didn't mean Hinosaur I
meant dinosaur defense my fingers slliped.The Prosauropods
were Anchisaurus,Thecodontosaurus,Mssospondylus,(the commonly
known) plateosaurus,Mussaurus(the smallest one) and (one of
the biggest exept for plateosaurus whose the biggest of
all)riojosaurus
from Donovan c.,
age 11,
?,
singapore,
?;
June 12, 2001
Contunity probems? I don't think
so. Besides, they have been changing the look of the
Velociraptor throughout the movies and I think its pretty
irresponsible of them to ignore blatant paleontological
fact!
from JP3 Stinks,
age ?,
?,
?,
?;
June 12, 2001
Besides, they corrected the myth
about T.Rex not being able to see you when you stayed
still.
from JP3 Stinks,
age ?,
?,
?,
?;
June 12, 2001
Sorry, "Jehotosaurus" was a typo,
of course, I meant _Jeholosaurus_. The Dinosauricon classes
it as a genasaur because it has a predentary, there was some
discussion on DML that it was in fact a "prosauropod" or a
"prosauropod"-like genasaur/basal predentate.
from Chandler,
age ?,
?,
?,
?;
June 12, 2001
They haven't narrowed "Willo" down
to a specific species yet, but its genus is _Thescelosaurus_.
I think they thought it was a _T. neglectus_.
from Chandler,
age ?,
?,
?,
?;
June 12, 2001
There is no clear-cut
"warm-blooded" or "cold-blooded." The smaller the animal, the
more "warm-blooded" it is. For example, compared to a mouse,
humans are gigantothermic--less warm-blooded than the mouse.
And recent studies suggest that elephants aren't really
totally warm-blooded, that they are in fact a type of
gigantothermic. Giant sauropods probably depended mostly on
gigantothermy, and large theropods were probably only
partially gigantothermic, like elephants.
from Chandler,
age ?,
?,
?,
?;
June 12, 2001
Well, if they corrected themselves
now about the raptors in JP3, then there would be some major
continuity problems...
from Chandler,
age ?,
?,
?,
?;
June 12, 2001
"Dinosaurs actually represent a
large and varied number of different animal species. To slap a
tag on all of them and say they were like that would be
extremely unwise."
Dinosauria is a monophyletic clade, all members sharing a
number of derived characterisitcs. You object to all taxa
above species?
from Brad,
age 14,
Fenelon Falls,
ON,
Canada;
June 12, 2001
DW, I for one think that to
support three T.Rexes, assuming they weren't scavangers, and a
pack of raptors as large as that, there would have to be quite
a sizeable number of herbivoers, probably around 30, of the
large size. For the land area, all dinosaurs more than likely
were quite territorial. Thus this means they would need more
than the dinky little island the movies give them. You have to
think about a balanced ecosystem as well. All the herbivores
there would need ALOT of greens. One little island wouldn't
support the lot of them. Plus the dinosaurs are breeding
continuously. Unless the population was controlled, like the
dinosaurs not breeding above a certain limit, there would
never be enough room. Also, there would need to be more
predators to keep the population of other dinosaurs in check.
But then you need more herbivores to feed the carnivores. The
whole island idea just wouldn't work.
from Dragonair,
age 13,
Dayton,
Ohio,
?;
June 12, 2001
If JP3 carries on the tradition of
describing Velociraptors as 6-foot tall animals that was
bigger than a man! What blatant ignorance of paleontological
fact! In fact, they have been ignoring obvious paleontological
facts for 8 years and running now! Heck, if they were really
recreating the dinosaurs in the movie as accucrate as possible
(like in WWD), we would not see the oversized, obese Spinosaur
in the movie and T.Rex woudl be kicking Spinosaurus' can all
voer the place.
from JP3 Stinks,
age ?,
?,
?,
USA;
June 11, 2001
Dinosaurs actually represent a
large and varied number of different animal species. To slap a
tag on all of them and say they were like that would be
extremely unwise. I believe its highly likely some dinosuars
would have been warm-blooded. On the flip side, its almst
certain some of them would have been cold-blooded for the
simple reason they didn't need to be. None of the evidence
found to suggest warm-bloodedness or cold-bloodness has been
really conclusive in either way, but my bet is, the larger
dinosaurs were probally not warm at all, and the smaller ones
would have been quite hot. It's also possible that dinsosaurs
may have been warm-blooded when young and later lost it as
they built up bulk.
from Honkie Tong,
age 16,
?,
?,
?;
June 11, 2001
Megan, I guess you could say that
Apatosaurus was a real dinosaur. Have you ever heard of
Brontosaurus? Supposedly Apatosaurus was the name first. But
here's what happened. The skull was originally never found on
the first found skeletons, and the skulls were recreated as
short like Camarasaurus. This dinosaur was originally called
Brontosaurus. In 1979 two scientists studied the field notes
made by earlier bone collecters one hundred years earlier.
They found the original skull did not fit, and changed it, and
found that Brontosaurus had a longer skull like Diplodicus. So
for some reason they renamed it Apatosaurus. It is the same
dinosaur, whichever name you call it.
from Dragonair,
age 13,
Dayton,
Ohio,
?;
June 11, 2001
Here's an interesting question.
Were dinosaurs warm-blooded or cold-blooded? Remember that
they found evidence that they were warm-blooded from that
dinosaur "Willo." The dinosaur had a four chambered heart like
many warm-blooded animals today, and that the bones of
dinosaurs had lots of little holes. Our bones also have those
holes so blood vessels can go through our body. This means
more blood can travel around, and this allows us to be
warm-blooded. Since modern reptile's bones dom't have alot of
these holes, this means they are cold-blooded. Dinosaurs have
lots of little holes in their bones. This means that they were
probably warm-blooded. I for one beleive they were
warm-blooded.(Could someone tell me the species "Willo" was? I
forgot.)
from Dragonair,
age 13,
Dayton,
Ohio,
?;
June 11, 2001
The 'spitter' is Dilophosaurus.
There is no evidence for a frill.
from Brad,
age 14,
Woodville,
ON,
Canada;
June 11, 2001
I can't find anything on
"Jehotosaurus". The Dinosauricon has _Jeholosaurus_ as a
basal ornithischian (genasaur, actually). It also appears to
be one of the few dinosaurs named in 2000 that somehow avoided
being on the list I was making back then.
How complete is my 2001 list?
Asparavis ukhaana
Aucasaurus garridoi [undescribed]
Draconyx loureiroi
Eotyrannus lengi
Losillasaurus giganteus
Masikosaurus knopfleri
Paralititan stromeri
Ricardoestesia isosceles
Saltriosaurus [nomen nudum]
from Brad,
age 14,
Woodville,
ON,
Canada;
June 11, 2001
A Speculative Reclassification of
the Theropoda, Concering the position of the Megalosauridae
Theropoda
*Halticosaurus may be close to the "herrerasaur-like
prosauropods". It seems to have a mixture of theropod (long,
slender metatarsals) and prosauropod (structure of illim, if
restored correctly; form of femur; only two fused sacrals;
lack of pleurocoels on cervicals) features (Norman 1990).
However, its remains are poorly-preserved and nondiagnostic.
**Megalosauridae lacks a modern diagnosis and cannot be
conclusively assigned to any theropod group. Gregory Paul
(1984) has called Megalosaurus, Polikopleuron and Torvosaurus
are among the most archaic of theropods, having
prosauropod-like hands; pelves with short anterior iliac
blades; short, broad pubes and ischia; and femora with small
lesser trochanters. He also stated that they may be
congeneric. Torvosaurus has a mixture of advanced and
primitive characteristics, including a prosauropod-like
brachyiliac pubis and ischium, and a 'coelurosaur'-like
dolichoiliac ilium. Poelikopleuron [holotype destroyed] was
described by Huene (1923) as having five digits on both the
manus and pes. Reexamination of the illustrations have not
proven this, but if there is any truth in Huene's statement it
would certainly indicate a very primitive position on the
theropod family tree. The megalosaur record may extend back to
the Rhaetic (LTr), represented by Megalosaurus cambrensis from
Wa!
les. Although now often assigned to the genus "Newtonsaurus"
[nomen nudum], this species agrees in 6 of 9 diagnostic
characters for M. bucklandi, three seemingly shared derived
characters. The remaining three characters cannot be
determined. Despite its older age, M. cambrensis does seem
referrable to Megalosaurus (Molnar, Kurzanov and Dong, 1990).
So, what do you think?
PS. This research would not be possible without _Dinosaurs:
The Encylopedia_ by Donald Glut, the best dinosaur book
ever!
|---Unspecified "herrerasaur-like prosauropods"
|...|--Halticosaurus*
|...`--Megalosauridae** (=Torvosauridae)
|......|--Poekilopleuron
|......|--Megalosaurus
|......`--Torvosaurus
|--Herrerasauria
`--Ceratosauria
.`--Tetanurae
from Brad,
age 14,
Woodville,
ON,
Canada;
June 11, 2001
I forget what the dino's name is
on JP that spit poison into Nedry's eyes. I read that he
didn't have that frill around its neck but I also heard that
he did, so which one is it?
from Katie V.,
age 13,
Tabernacle,
NJ,
U.S.A.;
June 11, 2001
I'm not sure of what prosauropods
had beaks...I think _Jehotosaurus_ had a predentary, and there
are probably some others. I'm not sure about _Anchisaurus_
either...
from Chandler,
age ?,
?,
?,
?;
June 11, 2001
I think we're discussing
prosauropods now, and maybe Godzilla. I have no idea what a
Hinosaur is.
from Brad,
age 14,
Fenelon Falls,
ON,
Canada;
June 11, 2001
Well, we never actually saw the
total no. of herbivores on Isla Sorna so we can't guess the
predator prey relationships in the movie. In Crichton's book
Isla Sorna was a puny small island (I have the hardcover with
illustration), smaller than Sentosa. By my guess, the island
potrayed in the movie is bigger than Singapore, to support the
herbivores and carnivores.
Let's take stock of the predator's on Isla Sorna as seen in
TLW:
P.S. the lab scene reminded me of Aliens too.
3 T-Rexes
6-12 Raptors(Can anyone count them?)
Dozens of Procompsonathus (Scavengers)
Several Pteranodons (Fish eaters?)
1 Spinosaurus(JP///)
and Maybe a few Dilophosaurs.
Can someone get back to me on the no. of herbivores required
to feed them, and the land area required to support thr
herbivores?
from DW,
age ?,
?,
?,
?;
June 11, 2001
On HT's report... no
comment...
from Leonard,
age 13,
?,
?,
?;
June 11, 2001
Ahem, I don't mean to complain but
what are we discussing? How about Hinosaur defense,after all
this site doesn't have every dino defense.P.S. Those triassic
and other reptiles are included.
from Donovan R.,
age 11,
?,
singapore,
?;
June 10, 2001
Haha! Nice report
Honkie!
from Billy Macdraw,
age 19,
?,
?,
?;
June 10, 2001
Jp is killer
from ??????,
age 39,
??????????????,
??????????????????,
??????????????;
June 10, 2001
Enough with the T-rex and
denonichus stuff
from ?,
age 39,
?,
?,
?;
June 10, 2001
Has anyone else read "Parade of
life Through the Ages," the 1942 National Geographic article
by Charles R. Knight? It seems that he did't really like
dinosaurs- in fact, you might say he dislikes them. He called
the Styracosaurus a pathetic non-entity! I'm kind of angry
now.
from Brad,
age 14,
Woodville,
ON,
Canada;
June 10, 2001
Besides Massospondylus, what is
another Massospondylid? Which ones have beaks? I thought
Anchisaurus was the prosauropod closest to the Ornithischia.
Is this incorrect?
from Brad,
age 14,
Woodville,
ON,
Canada;
June 10, 2001
Wow, this message board exploded
with posts.
I'm not exactly sure of what excludes _Sinornithosaurus_ from
dromaeosauridae...the body form of _Sinornithosaurus_ is very
gracile and the claw is more troodont-like than
dromaeosaurids. The head is also less robust, the tail is
shorter, and the hands and arms are much
longer.
from Chandler,
age ?,
?,
?,
?;
June 10, 2001
Yes I was aware of the Gow study
showing _Massospondylus_ to be non-beaked. But other
massospondylids do, perhaps _Massospondylus_ itself was closer
to the herrerasaurian/more primitive condition.
And I don't know exactly which "prosauropods" go where, we'll
need someone to do some indepth anatomical
studies..."Prosauropoda" is a big mess of different kinds of
dinosaurs.
from Chandler,
age ?,
?,
?,
?;
June 10, 2001
Hey Chandler, did you see this?
http://www.cmnh.org/fun/dinosaur-archive/2001Jun/msg00344.html
Heterodontosaurs are marginocephalians? That doesn't really
agree with making them the ornithischians closest to
anchisaurs.
from Brad,
age 14,
Woodville,
ON,
Canada;
June 10, 2001
Godzilla: A close study
Godzilla is actually a dinosaur?!! Yes its true! Read about it
in the orginal story! Apparently, Godzilla belongs to a
previously unknown 122-meter predatory dinosaur species called
Godzillasaurus that somehow managed to survived the KT
extinction in a deep oceanic catnap without going up for air
for about 65 million years despite being a reptile and was
somehow enhanced, instead of killed by radioactive fallout to
be able to project atomic fire. Godzilla also seems to have
skin made of extremely tough non-carbonic material as he could
absorb tank rounds, laser beams, missle warheads and even
nuclear bombs without flinching (besides opening and closing
his mouth to roar the overplayed Godzilla roar). Godzilla also
seems to be able to resist temperatures up to 6,000 degrees as
he came out from the magma of an active volcano once.
Amazingly, nobody has bothered to explain why he died after
his internal body temperature reached 2,500 degrees in the
last movie. If he could resist 6,000 degrees of liquid rock, why melt at 2,500? That aside,
Godzilla also seems to be so resistant to just about
everything, he didn't even stir when the superpowers of the
world lobbed hundreds of thermonuclear warheads at him while
he was sleeping during an eposide. Godzilla has also
repeatedly defeated the Japanese Military (Confirmed by Jane's
Weaponary to be the most efficent and effective monster
supression force in the world). I knew dinosaurs were tough,
but Godzilla pushes the limits.
On the dowside, Godzilla seems slow. Despite being 122-meters
tall and having a 35 meter stride, he seems to take a step
every now and then, moving at a top speed of about 45-55
kilometers. Another problem is his hands: What are they for?
They don't look antrophied enough for like the Tyrannosaurids
to have no use. But Godzilla rarely uses them except to
grapple with opponents. And I have no clue, given his stubby
fingers and arms, how he coudl even do that. I suspect its
easier for Godzilla to spin on of his stubby arms clockwise,
and the other counterclockwise to cause his opponents to laugh
uncontrobally and then move in the finish the job while they
are trying to compose themselves.
Despite external differences, scientists suspect that Godzilla
is actually a ultra-coelurosaur directly decsended from the
super-coelurosaurs of the late cretacious. The
ultra-coelurosaurs evolved too late to take advantage of the
Ultrasauros prey and the Stegosaurus they could fool by
pretending to be one the herd, thus the need for the stegosaur
plates. Finally noticing that their intended foolsource died
out years ago, most of the ultra-coelurosaurs trived by using
their ridiculus toughness to go mano-a-mano with ankylosaurids
and eat them. When the KT finally came, most of the dinosaurs
died out, some like Tyrannosaurus and Velociraptor survived by
being so cool that some boneheaded species later would come by
and decide they are so cool they are worth bringing back.
Apparently, most of the ultra-coelurosaurs died out except
Godzilla who was smart enough to adapt his then-usless back
plates to acommidate atomic energy and his ridiculusly B-grade
dinosaurian body to secure a movie deal with any director making a movie in the 1950s.
Yes...I'd say the Japanese version is kinda hard to
swallow...but all in all, it was fun to watch.
About the American version. Apparently, in the American
version, the American producers decided that America being
directly responsible for the creation of a monster in an
American movie would not be exactly patriotic, so the blame
was shifted to the French instead. (Note: The American movie
makes the American military and the French GIGN look bad)
Godzilla is now a modern animal species directly mutated to a
movie-monster. How random radioactive fallout managed to hit
DNA strands with their Alpha and Beta particles and Gamma Rays
in such a way it arranged a 122-meter reptile instead of
creating a horribly deformed version of the original species
is beyond me.
But the American Godzilla seems faster, smarter and certainly
more believable. (Though believability hard to find in any
Godzilla movie) But he/she is pratically a wimp. The American
Godzilla didn't do damage anywhere near the lumbering Japanese
Godzilla did and it was a total wimp compaired to the
atomic-fire breathing, Toyko-vandalizing version.
I find the cartoon strikes a good compromise between our need
to see realistic monsters (an oxymoron), and the need to see
monsters do what monsters do. The cartoon Godzilla is
vulnerable, but is at the same time more capable then the
wimpy movie version. All in all, I find the cartoon gives
Godzilla the best shot as an animal and as a
monster.
A report by Honkie Tong
from Honkie Tong,
age 16,
?,
?,
?;
June 10, 2001
I forgot a book. It is not out
yet, give it a year or so, but I hear it it going to be really
good. It tis called Albino I think and it is about an albino
t-rex. I'll tell you when it comes out!
from Carcharodontosaur,
age ?,
?,
?,
?;
June 10, 2001
Remember me? I just dropped in to
reccomend a few really good books:
Clan of the Cave Bear
Title: Anonymous Rex
Storyline: Dinosaurs have invaded our planet. Various species
of dinosaurs wear latex suits to disguise themselves as humans
and take on professions. The main idea is a "Raptor" who is a
dectective and he goes on this big case.
Comments: Very imaginitive but disses the T-Rex a lot. good
for raptor fans. Some "Drug" use (They get high off of basil
leaves) and a tiny bit of (Well this is a kids site, but i
think this book is best for kids aroud thrirteen, twelve, I'm
not sure really.)
Sequel: Casual Rex
Author: Jean M. Auel
Storyline: This takes place in the ice age. A young girl that
is,
I think, Homo erectus, is orphaned and adopted by a clan of
neanderthals. She has to learn to understand the customs and
along the way learns a lot. I cannot summarize the whole book
in one short summary because it is about 450 pages. Oh yea,
lots and lots of I Ice Age animals,(Mammoths, Cave lions, and
about a dozen others. Sorry, no smilidon.) but not nearly as
many as the second book(Listed Below.)
Comments: I think this is supposed to be an adult book
because it is so long but it is really intriguing. Probably
for forurteen give or take a year.
Chronicles: Valley of horses, The Mammoth Hunters, The Plains
of passage.
from Carcharodontosaur,
age ?,
?,
?,
?;
June 10, 2001
WOW! Leonard you'r favorite meat
eating dinosaur is allosaurus!!? Mine is too!
from Sean.S,
age 13,
i won't tell,
?,
U.S.A;
June 10, 2001
More JP3 bashing! (Just kidding,
looks like a cool but unlikely movie)
I dunno man, I guess I would like JP3, but it just smacks of
Alien (tm.). The dinosaurs remind me too much of the aliens in
Aliens instead of real animals. Un oh...well, I guess it's the
shock from watching too much WWD and WWD2 and then watching JP
movies. I'm suspecting it's gonna be kinda hard to fight the
urge to go "Ah ha! A dramatization!" in the movie theatre...
what the heck... :P
Anyway, humans seem to be exceptionally tasty and crunchy and
worth the immense amount of energy for virtually any know
predatory dinosur species to chase down and eat then a 5 ton
hardosaur... I wonder why? Better ask the Spinosaur...
Grant: "They set a trap, they actually set a trap."
Smarter then primates? Un oh... if the adverage raptor is
dumber then a crow...then a crow is...
Lastly, I'll like to add that the island seems to support a
ridiculus amount of predators for its size. The predator
biomass must be almost tenfold then the highest every
recorded!
But whatever... Hollywood has been bending the laws of physics
even since it was set up...
Corporal Hudson: "How can they do that? They are only animals
man!"
from Honkie Tong,
age 16,
?,
?,
?;
June 10, 2001
What good am I if I yet known
lossilasaurus giganteus no fair,I had good dino knowledge now
its all over.Actually,scientist found a new triceratops more
larger than the other triceratops skeletons and its no
female,its a male.Oh,no one talks on walking with
dinosaurs?There is series 2 coming.
from Donovan c.,
age 10,
?,
singapore,
?;
June 10, 2001
Instructions for a LEGO
Dilophosaurus can be found in the pictures section.
Has anyone found the official "Transforming Dinosaurs" or
"Jurassic Park ///" LEGO sets? I want those dino
parts!
from Brad,
age 14,
Woodville,
ON,
Canada;
June 9, 2001
Hi guys! Long time no see.
Honkie, I have seen the trailer too, but to me it looks great!
The new raptor looks cool. I don't think WWD killed JP3 (nice
rhyme)JP3 IS a movie, for example, "They were smarter than
primates." Don't count on paleontological misconceptions not
popping up. "They set a trap, they actually set a
trap."
from DW,
age ?,
?,
?,
?;
June 9, 2001
Derived Characters of
Prosauropoda- Are They Valid?
I checked the formal definition of Prosauropoda in Donald
Glut's Dinosaurs: The Encyclopedia. I'm posting them here,
with my own comments. Reply with any comments of your own.
I. Skull about half the length of femur
II. Jaw articulation slighlty below maxillary tooth row
level.
III. Teeth small, homodont or weakly heterodont, spatulate,
with coarse, obliquely angled marginal serrations.
IV. Manual digit I bearing a twisted first phalanx and
enormous, trenchant ungal medially directed when
hyperextended.
V. Digits II and III of subequal length, with small, slighly
recurved ungal phalanges.
VI. Digits IV and V reduced, lacking ungal phalanges.
VII. Typical phalangeal formula 2-3-4-(3 or 4)-3.
VIII. Blade-like distal part of pubes forming broad, flat
apron.
IX. Fifth pedal digit vestigial.
X. Femur with longitudinal crest proximal to lateral condyle,
situated in continuation of posterior end of condyle.
No, proportions are not good indicators of a relationship.
A feature of herbivorous reptiles (see VanHeerden in Farlow
and Brett-Surman 1997, Table 19.2) not unique to Prosauropoda.
Also seen in Heterodontosaurus (Bakker 1986)
Again, this is probably not unique to Prosauropoda, more
likely just a feature of herbivory.
This is the 'twist-thumb claw' Bakker (1986) used to prove
dinosaurian monophyly, noting that it is found in
prosauropods, primitive theropods, and heterodontosaurs.
Unless he was lying, its means nothing for prosauropod
monophly.
This doesn't seem significant.
Wouldn't this apply for a lot of dinosaurs? And I wouldn't
call it a "high-weight novelty", meaning its easily convergent
anyway.
Variable, and 'typical' implies that there are exceptions.
I don't know enough about this to comment.
So? Since it was lost in theropods and ornithischians, you'd
expect that from a wide-spread assemblage of basal dinosaurs.
XI. Lesser trochanter a weak ripple proxiomodistally lying on
lateral on latero-anterior surface, main part of trochanter
below level of femoral head.
Sorry, I know nothing about the anatomy of the femur. I
wonder which and how many species were included in this
study?
from Brad,
age 14,
Woodville,
ON,
Canada;
June 9, 2001
There were far more plant-eaters
than meat-eaters. Predator-prey ratios are actually important
in determining if dinosaurs were warm-blooded, Bakker has
written a chapter on it in The Dinosaur
Heresies.
from Brad,
age 14,
Woodville,
ON,
Canada;
June 9, 2001
There was no Victorian view of
Godzilla!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
My painting is based on a photo of Godzilla destroying Tokyo
from the 1954 movie _Godzilla, King of the Monsters_. The
1998 Godzilla film was pretty bad, I didn't like it much
either. Godzilla is a prehistoric monster, not a mutated
iguana! I wouldn't say the cartoon is best, its too much like
the 1998 movie.
from Brad,
age 14,
Woodville,
ON,
Canada;
June 9, 2001
What places Sinornithosaurus
outside of Dromaeosauridae?
from Brad,
age 14,
Woodville,
ON,
Canada;
June 9, 2001
Ah, here it is:
Which prosauropods fall outside of Dinosauria?
Which prosauropods are 'herrarasaur-like', and thus theropods?
I can't think of any.
Which prosauropods are 'sauropod-like'? Melanorosaurids?
Is Anchisaurus now a Massospondylid? Where is Plateosaurus?
Also, this recent message says that Massospondylus was not
beaked:
http://www.cmnh.org/fun/dinosaur-archive/2001Jun/msg00218.html
Now, a few questions:
http://www.cmnh.org/fun/dinosaur-archive/2001Jun/msg00223.html
from Brad,
age 14,
Woodville,
ON,
Canada;
June 9, 2001
Brad, I think Apatosaurus and the
rest of the sauropods are indeed dinosaurs. "Prosauropods"
are really the only thing that radically change here,
obviously because that they are not a natural group. This
cladogram by Mike Keesey gives sauropods as dinosaurs but not
basal "prosauropods." There also is no Saurischia (scary) and
some "prosauropods" are defined as theropods! Also, some
predentary-possessing "prosauropods" are placed in
ornithischia (they're just all over the place now), and some
are placed where they originally were in the sauropodomorpha.
--+=="lagosuchians" (pre-dinosaurs)
I tend to agree with the majority of this, although I prefer
the name Phytodinosauria over
Ornithischiformes.
..`--+==basal "prosauropods"
.....`--Dinosauria
........|--Theropoda (Aves sensu Olshevsky)
........|..|==herrerasaur-like "prosauropods"
........|..`--+--Eoraptor
........|.....`--+--Herrerasauridae
........|........`--Neotheropoda (all other theropods, incl.
birds)
........`--Ornithischiformes (=Phytodinosauria)
...........|--Sauropodomorpha
...........|..|==sauropod-like "prosauropods"
...........|..`--Sauropoda
...........`--Ornithischia
..............|--Massospondylidae ("prosauropods" with
predentaries)
..............`--+--Lesothosaurus
.................`--Genasauria (all other ornithischians)
from Chandler,
age ?,
?,
?,
?;
June 9, 2001
Deinonychosauria is a monophyletic
group containing _Sinornithosaurus_, dromaeosaurids, and a
whole lot of incertae sedis (including _Utahraptor_). No
Troodontids. Troodontids are more closely related to
ornithomimes, and are not particularly close to the
dromaeosaurids or other deinonychosaurs.
from Chandler,
age ?,
?,
?,
?;
June 9, 2001
Which of the population is
more.Meat eaters or vegeterians
from Adam T,
age 9,
Witham,
Essex,
England;
June 9, 2001
Yes Brad. My name is infact Sean.
The s. is my initial.
from Sean.S,
age 13,
i won't tell,
?,
U.S.A;
June 9, 2001
Brad, your picture of Godzilla
represents the victorian view of Godzilla as a slow,
lumbering, stupid animal that can defy tanks and nuclear
missiles (Only the Japanese can come up with ways to bend
physics to make this possible), and I would say your picture
of Godzilla is outdated. On the other hand, the hollywood
version of Godzilla is a total wimp, and the reason he could
cause so much havoc was that the US military is completely
camera-shy and thus screws up when being flimed. (Thus all the
negative reports on CNN, movies and such, JAG being an
exception) I think the best way Godzilla is showed is in the
cartoon. Yeah!
PS: Godzilla does not actually exist, but some scientists have
decided he's actually a direct decendent of Tyrannosaurus Rex
Osborn which had adapted long arms to swipe helicopters and
stegosaur plates not to control body temperature by to act as
high capacity plasma capaticators to gather his biofusion
green atomic fire blast before its projected from his mouth.
Cool!
from Godzilla Researcher,
age 12,
?,
?,
?;
June 8, 2001
Sorry, I didn't see it. But you
mean you hadn't know that fact till now Brad? Of course
everybody rushes to defend T.Rex!:P
from Leonard,
age 13,
?,
?,
?;
June 8, 2001
What's an
Apatosaurus?
from Megan,
age ?,
?,
?,
?;
June 8, 2001
If you say Tyrannosaurus couldn't
hunt, everyone rushes to correct you. If you say that
Apatosaurus is not a dinosaur, no one repiles... check the
late May 2001 page to see what I posted.
from Brad,
age 14,
Woodville,
ON,
Canada;
June 8, 2001
Chandler, you keep saying
deinonychosaur- what are they? I thought the Deinonychosauria
was a polyphyletic grouping of Dromaeosauridae and
Troödontidae. What does it mean to you?
from Brad,
age 14,
Woodville,
ON,
Canada;
June 8, 2001
No, South Hemispherean
deinonychosaurs are quite likely. It is just that the curve
of the _Megaraptor_ claw is much shallower (less curved) than
those typical of deinonychosaurs. It is possible that this
particular deinonychosaur possessed a shallower, perhaps more
primitive avian-like claw, but it is more likely that the claw
belongs to an avialan. That's all.
from Chandler,
age ?,
?,
?,
?;
June 8, 2001
Coming soon...COMMUNIST CRISIS!
It's a spoof of star trek with allosaurs on a 5 year mission
to seek out new life and new civilizations and convert them to
communism. Nice stories but i think you all should have put
more Leslie Nielson type humour though. This is what type i
use to make comedies.
from Sean.S,
age 13,
?,
?,
U.S.A;
June 8, 2001
Chandler, why is it that you think
Megaraptor is unlikely to be a dromaeosaur?
Are you basing this on geography alone? There are Gondwanan
Velociraptorinae, reported by Rauhut and Werner in 1995, known
from the Cenomanian Wadi Milk Formation in Sudan. Specimens
are too fragmentary to assign a genus and species name, but
can be assigned to the Dromaeosauridae based on the following
characteristics:
I: difference in denticle size of anterior and posterior
serrations of tooth (Vb-875), similar to Deinonychus,
Velociraptor, and Saurornitholestes, morphology of posterior
serrations simlar to Deinonychus and Saurornitholestes;
II: prominent ventral 'heel' and deeply grooved ginglymodial
distal articular facet of pedal phalanx (Vb-713), similar to
Deinonychus and Saurornitholestes;
III: shape of ungal (Vb-714 and Vb-860) in combination with
asymmetrical arrangement of claw grooves, as in Utahraptor,
Deinonychus, and an undescribed dromaeosaurid (MOR 660), and a
sharp ventral margin, both features known only in
dromaeosaurids.
A South American dromaeosaur is certainly not
improbable.
from Brad,
age 14,
Woodville,
ON,
Canada;
June 8, 2001
I agree, Megaraptor probably
doesn't deserve a nomen validum at this point.
from Chandler,
age ?,
?,
?,
?;
June 8, 2001
I have some more Pteranodon
paintings, a Stegosaurus pair, Oviraptor, and
Pentaceratops...there are probably more that I'm forgetting
about...I also have a lot of drawings (hundreds) so I might
pick a few of them to post up here.
from Chandler,
age ?,
?,
?,
?;
June 8, 2001
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