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I'm still alive- how about you?
(I mean, over two days!)
from Brad,
age 14,
Woodville,
ON,
Canada;
May 31, 2001
How big is a
magaraptor?
from kyle .H,
age 13,
Middletown,
OHIO,
North Amrica;
May 31, 2001
Thanks, Cameron. I think it's
one of my favourites too. Do you draw
dinosaurs?
from Brad,
age 14,
Woodville,
ON,
Canada;
May 28, 2001
Komodo dragons are not
dinosaurs. Of living animals, only birds are classified as
true dinosaurs. Komodo dragons aren't really close
relatives of the Dinosauria either, although they are
closely related to the extinct sea lizards called
mosasaurs.
from Brad,
age 14,
Woodville,
ON,
Canada;
May 28, 2001
nice
Lukosaurus,Brad.
from Cameron W.,
age 10,
?,
?,
?;
May 28, 2001
Let's be nicer to Cameron. So
what if he has different views on Tyrannosaurus rex?
Tyrannosaurus was just an animal, and its dead. Its not
your friend, your king, or your god. We do not know if it
could kill Triceratops, or if it scavenged a lot, or if it
ate lawyers off toilets (although we can probably rule out
that last one). Why must we be so defensive of it, trying
to make it the most perfect killing machine that we want it
to be? Tyrannosaur behavior is nothing to fight
about.
from Brad,
age 14,
Woodville,
ON,
Canada;
May 28, 2001
Ellie Sattler will not be
returning to the island, but she does briefly appear in the
movie. There is no official introduction of Utahraptor,
but who's to say exactly what those 'raptors' in the JP
movies are? Corythosaurus will also appear.
The rich couple are Paul and Amanda Kirby. They go to Isla
Sorna looking for their son Eric, who got lost there in a
gliding accident.
from Brad,
age 14,
Woodville,
ON,
Canada;
May 28, 2001
I finally saw a preview for JP
III. Interesting plot; basically a rich guy and his wife
charter a plane to fly over Isla Sorna. They convince Alan
Grant & ellie Satler to be guides. Plane crashes and
they're stuck on the island. Lots of run-ins and narrow
escapes. Old favorite - T-rex - is back. Yes, there is a
Spinosaur and some new dinosaur that I think might be
Utahraptor. I'm definately seeing it.
from Russell P,
age ?,
Seattle,
WA,
USA;
May 28, 2001
________________________________________________________________
A: Neither nests nor eggs from Corythosaurus have been
found.
According to Brett-Surman (1979. 1989) _Corythosaurus_ and
_Hypacrosaurus_ are very similar osteologically and may be
some day shown to be congeneric. And we've got some great
nests and eggs of _Hypacrosaurus_.
Q: Can you tell mey what the corythosaurus nests or eggs
looked like?
from Kyle C, Sterling Heights, MI, USA; May 26, 2001
_________________________________________________________________
from Brad,
age 14,
Woodville,
ON,
Canada;
May 28, 2001
Good point, Brad. I've amended that answer. JC
Back to this topic:
http://www.ndirect.co.uk/~luisrey/html/isano.htm
This 'cladogram', which I posted earlier, contains an
error.
Dinosauria (=Saurischia?)
Dinosauria is a node-based taxon, defined as _Triceratops_+
Neornithes (Dinosauricon), or _Iguanodon_+_Megalosaurus_.
I prefer the latter, but whichever you use dows not affect
the meaning:
Dinosauria = Ornithischia + Theropoda
The Dinosauricon has two taxa above Dinosauria that need
mention here. Dinosauromorpha is stem-based,
Neornithes>_Pterodactylus_. Dinosauriformes is node-based,
Neornithes + _Lagosuchus_. Sauropods are certainly
dinosauromophs by this definition. In George Olshevky's
system, the lagosuchians are not only dinosaurs (complete
with erect hind limb and reduced metatarsal V), but
'Theropodomorphs'.
http://www.cmnh.org/fun/dinosaur-archive/1996Apr/0315.html
Yes, that message is rather old, and he may have abondoned
that position. But let's assume he hasn't, as I've been
working on this message long enough! If _Lagosuchus_ is a
theropodomorph, Dinosauriformes (probably a synonym of
Theropodomorpha) becomes _less_ inclusive than Dinosauria.
See also:
http://www.cmnh.org/fun/dinosaur-archive/1996Apr/0347.html
The cladogram will read:
Dinosauromorpha
Yes, Sauropoda has been excluded from Dinosauria.
_Apatosaurus_ is not a dinosaur. (Shocking!) Still okay
with that, Chandler? That's if Rey and Olshevsky's idea is
correct. Of course, it might not be. I'll study the
traditional diagnoses of Saurischia and Sauropodomorpha in
Donald Glut's Dinosaurs: the Encyclopedia, and get back to
the topic. Maybe we'll finally arrive at a 'cladogram' that
works for everyone! (I doubt it, and then what would I do
for fun?)
|--Sauropoda
`?Unnamed Level (1)
. |--Theropoda
..`Phytodinosauria?
...|--Prosauropoda
...`--Ornithischia
|--Sauropoda
`Dinosauria
..|--Phytodinosauria
..|..|--Prosauropoda
..|..`--Ornithischia
..`--Theropodomorpha
.....|--Lagosuchia
.....`--Theropoda
from Brad,
age 14,
Woodville,
ON,
Canada;
May 28, 2001
Brad, you're probably right,
but it depends on the place they were fighting. Deinosuchus
would probably hardly leave the water, and it's hard to
picture T-rex swimming, though he might be able to. The
likeliest place that they would fight would be the
riverbank, but T-rex would probably win. However, there is
proof that some theropods could "swim", so the fight could
take place in the water, where the deinosuchus would
clearly have the advantage.
from JOE BOB B.,
age 11,
Menlo Park,
?,
?;
May 28, 2001
are komodo drgons dinosaurs?
from matt,
age 15,
burlington,
ontario,
canada;
May 28, 2001
Speaking of T-Rex vs
Deinosuchus...have any of you played "Savage Quest?" I've
only found it in the arcades. You play as a pretty po'd mama Rex and basically slaughter/consume everything in
your path. There's a confrontation in Level 2 between you
and not one, but THREE Deinosuchus. To make matters worse,
you fight the trio in their prime terrain: a river. I
don't know how accurate the game is, but I can usually
defeat the deinosuchi without dying (although I recieve
some pretty grievous wounds). But the game makes you face
three; a lone deinosuchus would be not much of a challange.
But then again, it is just a game.
from Sauron,
age ?,
?,
?,
?;
May 27, 2001
Tyrannosaurus vs. Deinosuchus.
Well, the tyrannosaur is a lot taller and faster. It would
probably kill the Deinosuchus somehow.
from Brad,
age 14,
Woodville,
ON,
Canada;
May 27, 2001
The whole "prosauropoda" thing
is a big mess. Some people think they are the ancestors of
the Sauropoda, some think they are just a sister group, and
some think that they are more closely related to the
ornithischians (in phytodinosauria). Basically I think
what Luis Rey was proposing is okay, and what a beautiful
Isanosaurus painting!
from Chandler,
age ?,
?,
?,
?;
May 27, 2001
I don't know that a Deinosuchus
would even try to attack a T. rex...T. rex was a little bit
too big for Deinosuchus to get its mouth around quickly
enough to launch a suprise water-hole attack. I imagine
that Deinosuchus preyed on drinking medium-sized
herbivores.
from Chandler,
age ?,
?,
?,
?;
May 27, 2001
Well, if healed marks have been
found, that can be taken as indirect proof that it was a
hunter--why would a non-hunter try and kill something if it
didn't mean to kill it? And Cameron, many hunters have
bone-crushing jaws. Actually, the only pure scavengers
have very weak jaws (vultures). Hyenas get most of their
food from predation, not scavenging.
from Chandler,
age ?,
?,
?,
?;
May 27, 2001
Actually, it depends, I'm not
sure how much Dinosuchus weighed, but my guess is, if it
caught T.Rex while T.Rex was having a swim for some unknown
reason or near the water drinking with its guard down, the
dinosaur faces rapid extinction. But if T.Rex happened to
catch Dinosuchus on land a reasonable distance from the
water, the croc faces rapid extinction too. I guess it
comes down to a matter of turf. But I think Tyrannosaurus
and Dinosuchus probabbly left each other alone. I just
can't imagine over what reason they would
clash.
from Leonard,
age 13,
?,
?,
?;
May 27, 2001
What's up with bone crushing
teeth being a scavenger? Lots of predators have bone
crushing teeth! Besides, T.Rex also had other types of
teeth besides maximala like nippers that would have been
every effective against live prey.
from Honkie Tong,
age 16,
?,
?,
?;
May 27, 2001
Funny how T. rex could crush
the bones of a living animal all it wanted and not cause
any harm....
from Jack,
age 300000000,
Woodville,
ON,
Canada;
May 27, 2001
T.Rex's teeth were
bone-crushers a sure sign of a scavenger!!!
from Cameron W.,
age 10,
Lindsay,
Ontario,
Canada;
May 26, 2001
"If a T.Rex got into a fight
with a pack of raptors here 's what would
"T.Rex couldn't kill anything!"
Well Cameron, which is it? Actually, we have no evidence
of Tyrannosaurus killing anything. Healed bite marks
indicte that Tyrannosaurus hunted, but that it didn't kill
that particular animal. Eaten bone indicates that
Tyrannosaurus was chewing a dead dinosaur, but we cannot
prove that the Tyrannosaurus killed it. But even if
Tyrannosaurus couldn't kill large ceratopsians or
hadrosaurs, I have a hard time beleiving that it couldn't
kill animals like Leptoceratops and
Thescelosaurus.
happen:T.Rex claws and bites and kills half the
pack..."
-Cameron
-Cameron
from Brad,
age 14,
Woodville,
ON,
Canada;
May 26, 2001
Who do you think would win ?
T.Rex or Dinosuchus(terror crocodile)?
from Cameron W.,
age 10,
Lindsay,
Ontario,
Canada;
May 26, 2001
http://www.ndirect.co.uk/~luisrey/html/isano.htm
I interperet this article as giving the following
'claodogram'. (dots, as before, mean nothing; but prevent
the diagram from being distorted)
Dinosauria (=Saurischia?)
(1) Defined by reduction of pedal digit V, fully erect hind
limb.
So Chandler, what do you think?
|--Sauropoda
`?Unnamed Level (1)
. |--Theropoda
..`Phytodinosauria?
...|--Prosauropoda
...`--Ornithischia
from Brad,
age 14,
Woodville,
ON,
Canada;
May 25, 2001
Oh yes, given the mouth area of
a Tyrannosaurus, it could easily inflict a mortal injury or
a gigantic wound on any dinosaur with a single bite.
Deinonychus is just taking small chunks of Tyrannosaurus if
it even gets lucky enough to connect. Given this, oh yes,
mouth area does play a large part.
from JM M,
age ?,
?,
?,
?;
May 25, 2001
Un oh, take it easy okay? But
they do have a point, Deinonychus lacks the equipment to
bring down a large animal like Tyrannosaurus. Slashing with
its sickle claws is an inefficent way of bringing down a
large animal like Tyrannosaurus and its bites won't go deep
to do alot of damage. If you want to bring down a large
animal like Tyrannosaurus, you have to stab him in the neck
with higly evolved stabbing tools or something, and you
just might be able to kill him (And given Tyrannosaurus'
reputation to survive alot of pounding, I say this is
unlikely). Deinonychus lacks all these adaptions and I say
that they'll be mincemeat if a pack of them tried to take
on a Tyrannosaur with their slashing and ineffectual
biting, only to see that its not having too much of an
effect on the Tyrannosaurid except making it angry! I
suspect due to this reason, even in a pack, Deinonychus did
not hunt prey of large size at all.
from Leonard,
age 13,
?,
?,
?;
May 25, 2001
I think that Carnivorous
dinosaurs had feathers because they look like
birds.
from Graham G.,
age 13,
Hermon,
Maine,
USA;
May 25, 2001
I like the
Brountosaurus,because it's a plant-eater.
from Brittany W.,
age 7,
Candler,
N.C.,
U.S.A.;
May 25, 2001
Oh JM, let me do your math for
you! Tyannosaurus had a approx mouth surface capacity of
about 6.5 sq. feet. While Deinonychus has a jaw with about
0.3 sq feet space...
...
What the heck, I seemed to have scaled down your estimates,
but done nothing really much to the intergity of your
theory... carry on.
from Honkie Tong,
age 16,
?,
?,
?;
May 24, 2001
Unfortunately, indeed, it does
seem my calculaitons do involve some rather large
approximations and rounding offs. But my point is, while a
good connection by Tyrannosaurus is a mortal injury, a
single raptor bite or slash is not anywhere near the
neighbourhood. In short, as a raptor, you are hardly
getting through to Tyrannosaurus while he's hurting you
really badly.
from JM M,
age ?,
?,
?,
?;
May 24, 2001
Brad, even if JM M was off on
his "dimensions" of a T. Rex's jaws, one point still
stands: T. Rex was huge compared to Deinonychus. A pack
of little Deinonychus of 150-200 pounds, no matter how
masterful or cunning they were, wouldn't have much of a
chance again a 5-ton T. rex with 3-foot jaws (hypotheticals
- weight and jaw length could be even greater!). Plus,
five feet wasn't much more than a foot off the length of
some T. Rex jaws. JC sites a T. Rex has having a jaw up to
4 feet in length. Talking about the who-beats-up-who of
dinosaurs has a lot of hypotheticals. Please try not to
criticize the hypotheticals of others.
from Laura,
age ?,
?,
?,
?;
May 24, 2001
Hello! I posted a message here
several months ago to say that I had helped in the
construction of an amateur website on dinosaurs. The
address is http://library.thinkquest.org/C005824. The
audience of such great dinosaur fans and budding experts is
always appreciated. :-)
from Laura,
age 18,
?,
MN,
?;
May 24, 2001
Your "5ft long X 2ft wide = 10
sq ft of mouth" statement is pretty silly. The jaws taper
at the ends, and worse, you didn't notice that there is an
upper and lower surface! Plus, I think 5 foot-long jaws
for T-rex is a little extreme. The entire skull was five
feet long, but that included space behind the mouth.
And what does mouth area have to do with
anything?
from Brad,
age 14,
Woodville,
ON,
Canada;
May 24, 2001
Whatdaya mean Cameron? What
kind of revisionist paleontology are you following? T.Rex
was a hunter!
from Brian,
age ?,
?,
?,
?;
May 23, 2001
Well, though it may seem
obvious that a pack of raptors (like Deinonychus) could
take on a Tyrannosaurus, by simple math I can prove this to
be extremely difficult or even impossible.
If a Tyrannosaurus has a mouth that is, oh, say five feet
long and two feet wide(I am doing the math slowly for you
science boys and rounding to the nearest foot, of course),
that means that the Tyrannosaurus has 10 square feet of
mouth surface. I'd say that with that kind of coverage,
every time the Tyrannosaurus makes contact with a small
Deinonychus body or head (as opposed to grabbing a leg), he
inflicts a mortal injury, if not an immediately killing
blow. Meanwhile, your average chicken-in-dinosaur clothing
has about, oh, say 0.5 square feet of mouth area, which
means it can't even encompass one bulging Tyrannosaurus
muscle in its wee yapper. So the Deinonychus are just
barely breaking the skin, but the Tyrannosaurus just has to
stay angry enough to take about twelve bites--okay, allow
about five or six extra bites for the Deinonychus as he
only gets by a leg the first time. He'll have to go back
and take a second chomp once the maimed Deinonychus are
down and helpless. Well, some people would argue that the Deinonychus coudl use
their sickle claws, but I doubt a gash is anywhere near as
deadly as a Tyrannosaur bite. Tyrannosaurus certainly packs
more firepower into a bite from his jaws than a pack of six
to twelve raptors.
So what is happening is, while the Deinonychus is having
trouble slowing down the Tyrannosaurus with their attacks,
Tyrannosaurus is tearing them limb from limb. Not really a
balanced fight. I just can't see a pack of mabye 12
Deinonychus taking down an animal that could survive
Tyrannosaur bites that inflict the damage of 20
Deinonychus. We have to remember that Tyrannosaurus would
nto behave like a herbivore of similar weight under attack
by a pack of raptors. He is many times meaner and tougher
than a herbivore of similar weight, and I think that counts
for alot.
from JM M,
age ?,
?,
?,
?;
May 23, 2001
I'm not sure, Velociraptor had
a big brain for its size, but it had a simple and primitive
brain. In fact, the prevailing theory is that Velociraptor
was not really smart at all. Not that he was dumb, but he
wasn't as smart as we would like to think. He was most
likely of adverage intelligence. In fact, Velociraptor had
a realtively simple and primitive brain structure for most
of Coelurosauria, with most other Coelurosaurs haveing a
bigger and more complex brain. In terms of intelligence,
bigger Coelurosaurs like Utahraptor and Tyrannosaurus were
most likely smarter and more intelligent than Velociraptor
despite having a lover EQ.
from Leonard,
age 13,
?,
?,
?;
May 23, 2001
Hi, Cameron! Ceratosaurus is a
good choice- I really like the way his jaws expand when
he's eating! We sort of have a rule here: "Don't say
anything bad about T. rex!" But I don't mind your
statements. Hmm... a big fat scavenger vs. a big fat
fish-eater/scavenger... well, that would be an interesting
fight! I wonder what would have made Strutiomimus faster
than Ornithomimus or Dromeciomimus?
from Brad,
age 14,
Woodville,
ON,
Canada;
May 23, 2001
The fastest dinosaur was
Struthiomimus.Cameron
from ?,
age ?,
?,
?,
?;
May 23, 2001
spinosaurus could so have
beaten T.Rex !!! After all T.Rex is
nothing but a fat scavenger!!!!!!! Cameron
from ?,
age ?,
?,
?,
?;
May 23, 2001
Spinosaurus could so beat T.Rex
!!!
from Cameron W.,
age 10,
Lindsay,
Ontario,
Canada;
May 23, 2001
If a T.Rex got into a fight
with a pack of raptors here 's what would
happen:T.Rex claws and bites and kills half the pack but is
torn
appart.Cameron age 10 Lindsay
from Cameron W.,
age 10,
Lindsay,
Ontario,
Canada;
May 23, 2001
My favorite dinosaurs are
Giganatasaurus, Ceratosaurus, and Megaraptor. Hello to
Brad in Woodville.
from Cameron W.,
age 10,
Lindsay,
Ontario,
Canada;
May 23, 2001
I disagree. The smartest
dinosaurs are probably parrots, or some other smart modern
bird. If you are referring to non-avian dinosaurs (and you
run into a probelm if _Velociraptor_ is a flightless
bird...), probably Troodon, or, as more recently suggested,
Bambiraptor or Microraptor. I'd prefer black velociraptors
with red tips.
from Brad,
age 14,
Woodville,
ON,
Canada;
May 23, 2001
Hey i think that Velociraptor
is really the smartest of all the dinos. Hey does anyone
agree? I think they could fo been red with a
hint of black along the tip of their nose to the tip of
there tail.
Well bye all.
from Mega A.,
age 13,
Jupiter,
Fl.,
West Palm Beach;
May 23, 2001
Brando,
It means Roof lizard!
from HENRY M.,
age 10,
?,
?,
?;
May 21, 2001
Anybody know about Steggie I'm
doing a project on him?
from HENRY M.,
age 10,
?,
?,
?;
May 21, 2001
I heard that in jurassic park 3
there was going to be one small part where the t-rex and
spinosaurs are going to fight. Is this
true?
from Anthony,
age 15,
?,
?,
?;
May 21, 2001
I really love dinosaurs!!!!I
think there are soo cool!!!!!!Igtg see ya!!!!
Your friend,
GARY
from Gary H,
age 9,
Channelview,
Texas,
U.S.A;
May 21, 2001
I don't know what do you mean
by "largest". That's because Spinosaurus had a far slighter
build then Tyrannosaurus. In fact, a 13 meter Tyrannosaurus
would certainly weight more then a 17 meter Spinosaurus.
Enough of that though, I have a sneeking suspision that JP3
is going to be a bomb, it seems to have a big dirth of
storyline. Anyway, I've released a special spinoff of Dino
Warz Counterstrike called Net Impact, read it and post your
comments.
from Billy Macdraw,
age 19,
?,
?,
?;
May 20, 2001
I love dinosaurus! But which
one was the fastest?
from Charles M,
age 9,
Ascot,
Berks,
UK;
May 20, 2001
*Ahem*
Spinosaurus is NOT the biggest dinosaur ever found. The
average sauropod was by far larger. If you meant that
Spinosaurus is the biggest meat eating dinosaur ever found,
you are still incorrect. Perhaps Spinosaurus is the
longest, but not the biggest.
from Sauron,
age ?,
?,
?,
?;
May 19, 2001
Let's stop fighting here, no
more T.rex vs. Raptors, there both great.
and what happened to Prosauropoda subject from
brad
from Ben,
age 12,
?,
?,
?;
May 19, 2001
The largest dinosaur ever found
now is the Spinosaurus. There were only about three found,
one of which was in Germany, a couple of years back. The
Spinosaurus is as large as the T-Rex, yet stronger, and
will first make it's appearence in the new Jurassic Park
III movie. Just wanted to let everyone know, signing
off!
from Frank M.,
age 15,
Uvalde,
Texas,
United States;
May 19, 2001
my fave dino is denonichyus I
got tons of stuff about dinos and I got a celltion of dinos
they are so wicked!!! who gonna vote for
deinonchyus???
from sheree-lee,
age 12,
london,
?,
england;
May 19, 2001
Hey. I run A web page,
www.element.fr.st, I am looking for some opinions from the
pros. Or maybe some... Help?
-Thank you
from Tim M.,
age ?,
Concord,
Michigan,
United States of America;
May 19, 2001
I love dinosaurs; I wonder what
the color was. It might be white, red or black !! Someday
I'll find out its color !.
from Syamil,
age 5,
Duri,
Riau,
Indonesia;
May 18, 2001
Sorry, wasn't paying attention
to dates. wow that was a long time ago! My
bad!
from Joseph,
age ?,
?,
?,
?;
May 18, 2001
Well, more then likely the
lizard or reptile your wife saw was a member of the Iguana
family or another large reptile. they have a ridge down the
back and to the unprepared viewer they do look slightly
like a tiny dinosaur. well, not a TINY one considering an
eight footer isn't all that rare, but never in a pet
shop.
from Joseph,
age 16,
Concord,
N.C.,
United States Of America;
May 18, 2001
Say Jeananda (I hope I spelt it
correctly), I have another sugesstion for the Fan Fic Page
if you don't mind. You see, it's kinda hard to figure out
which story in a particular writer's is the latest if he
already has a fair amount of stories, like Ruben. If you
would be so kind to oblige, sould you also add the title of
the latest addition to make things easier? Or better, a
hyperlink to the story itself. But that's just a
suggestion.
from Honkie Tong,
age 16,
?,
?,
?;
May 18, 2001
Okay, I'll start as the new stories are added. JC
I love dinosaurs!!I think they
are awsome!! What about you? Well,my friend he would die if
he could see a dinosaur.Well, igtg see ya!!!
Your friend,
Kelly M.
from Kelly M.,
age 10,
channelview,
tx.,
u.s.a;
May 18, 2001
how big can denonycus
be.
from Brandon Rago,
age eight,
brodview hts,
Ohio,
America;
May 18, 2001
Well if they survived life
would be almost impossible because the dinosaurs occupy
more space and at night it would be creepy with troodon who
was active at night
from DONOVAN R.,
age 10,
?,
SINGAPORE,
?;
May 18, 2001
I think that the Velicoraptor
is one of the coolest dinosaurs. It can run up to 60 mph (
grant it only for short distances, but...) It was enginered
like a bird. The part I like is the hunting in packs. 10 or
more would go out searching... The razor sharp claw on
their middle toe was cool too. They'd slash their prey
across their stomach, spilling out their intestines and
guts and stuff. Cool, huh...
from Tony W,
age 14,
?????,
??,
USA;
May 17, 2001
i think that dinosaurs are
cool
from mike c,
age 16,
lynchburg,
nunya,
nowhere land;
May 17, 2001
Thank you *bows*
from Honkie Tong,
age 16,
?,
?,
?;
May 17, 2001
Yes...I see Honkie...good
points.
from Sauron,
age ?,
?,
?,
?;
May 16, 2001
anyone know about the
proganchelys
from ?,
age ?,
?,
?,
?;
May 16, 2001
No no no, Bill and Sauron, you
both are wrong. There actually is no 'superior' animal
species here. I'll tell you what the true deciding factor
is: Nature. Who cares if you are the biggest of fastest? If
you are irrevelant to nature, your genes will die a rapid
death. I don't believe that there is such a thing as
dinosaurs or mammals being superior, but it so happened
that nature happened to favour the mammals and they finally
beat the dinosaurs. Remember the dinosaurs themselves were
also meek before the end of the triassic.
from Honkie Tong,
age 16,
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May 16, 2001
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